Dr. Louis Crivelli received his doctorate in Chiropractic from the National University of Health Sciences in 2001. He also holds a master’s degree in Nutrition from the University of Bridgeport, and a bachelor’s degree in Biology from Muhlenberg College. In 2002 he moved to Annapolis and began practicing in Greenbelt, MD (a stone’s throw from NASA Goddard Space Flight Center) where his diverse patient base consisted of members of the scientific, educational, and industrial communities.

He is the former Chair and current First Vice President of the Maryland Chiropractic Association and was voted Chiropractor of the Year for 2016, 2018 and again in 2019. He has served for many years on the Insurance and Legislative/Legal Committees. Dr. Crivelli is the Maryland delegate for the American Chiropractic Association and the current Chair of the ACA Clinical Best Practices Task Force.

In addition to practice and his work with the MCA and the ACA, he has been training and educating Chiropractic Assistants for two decades. Dr. Crivelli is the developer, chief instructor, and coordinator of the Maryland Chiropractic Association’s Chiropractic Assistant program. He regularly teaches CA continuing education seminars in Maryland and throughout the country.

In addition, Dr. Crivelli is the Immediate Past Chair of the Clinical Compass, formerly the Council on Chiropractic Guidelines and Practice Parameters (CCGPP). The Compass is tasked with development of practice guidelines, knowledge translation, and advancement of evidence based practice for the chiropractic profession. Dr. Crivelli is a co-author on the most recent clinical practice guidelines on Neck Pain, Low Back Pain, Chronic Pain, Health Promotion and Disease Prevention, and the upcoming Headache.

He also serves on the Research Workgroup for the Chiropractic Strategic Plan, is a lifetime fellow of the International College of Chiropractors, a member of the North American Spine Society, American Chiropractic Association’s Council on Forensic Sciences, the Association for the History of Chiropractic, the Unified Virginia Chiropractic Association, and the American College of Nutrition.

Dr. Crivelli lives in Crofton, MD with his wife Christiane and his children, Louis and Harper.

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LUKE MILLETT (PRODUCER):  Hey guys, welcome to episode 582 of the Chiro Hustle Podcast. I'm your producer, Luke Millett, and here's your host, James Chester.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  So today we have the opportunity of interviewing Dr. Lewis Crivelli. If you want to hear a story about his CA training programs and how he continues to give back, stay tuned. Welcome back. This is another episode of the Chiro Hustle Podcast. Today I have Lewis Crivelli on, episode 582. I'm going to tell you our big why. Why do we do it? We do us at Chiro Hustle. First things first is freedom of speech. The first amendment is so important. If you guys don't know that, go dig it up. I think it's a bill of rights that talks about that stuff, or the Constitution also. But those are pretty important parts of our culture is the freedom of speech. And that's what this show does. We've never censored anybody. We know it's like to be censored. We know it's like to be shadow banned and why do we do it to someone else? So, this profession matters. That's why we do the show and chiropractic as a truth of what it is matters. So, we get these stories from the practitioners. With that being said, we follow into a model where we want the chiropractors to talk about things that matter, medical freedom, family health freedom. I think those are very vital to what chiropractic does and what it offers to the world of, uh, health care. Um, I always kind of joke around, but it's kind of true that chiropractic is the piece on the chessboard that stops medical tyranny from being chest mate, uh, or, or checkmate. So, chiropractic matters and these stories matter. Um, we do support, uh, protect the sacred trust that's BJ Palmer's last words. If you don't know what that is, go stop right now, go find some philosophy and find out what BJ Palmer's last words were. You'll know a lot more about chiropractic than you previously did. I guarantee you, even if you're a chiropractor, um, we support subluxation-based chiropractic and intelligence and universal intelligence. We believe that when man or woman, the physical gets adjusted, it connects them to manner when the spiritual with that. Dr Lewis, welcome to the show.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Well, thank you. It's, uh, it's been an adventure getting on here. I'm thrilled to be on.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah. It's, it's, it's a long time coming. It is. And I know I've been digitally knocking on your door for a long time and say, hey, man, let's do this thing.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  So, and I, and I saw you at Chiro Congress last year, not the one that we just had, but the one last year. And so, we got, we got a long nice and I remember you sent me the invite then and you're like, Hey, come on. And I was like, yeah, absolutely. Let's go on. And then, you know, life happens, the holidays, this, that, the other thing. And I was like, Oh my God, I would love to get on there with him. So yeah, I'm really happy to be here.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Well, the good news is, is that we've been doing the show now almost six and a half years. Yeah. And we've done in total, I don't know, some, so over a thousand interviews. It's amazing. So, you being 582 of the official show, it really matters because these chiropractic stories, we've a narrative to where anybody from any walk of life can click on one of our episodes and start to get a better understanding of why this profession matters from the practitioner standpoint. And that's very unique. So, let's, let's just jump right into that. You said that you had an interesting journey to getting into the chiropractic profession.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Well, yeah. Like we were just saying beforehand, you know, I was not, you know, growing up, I was not a chiropractic patient. And I just told you, I think the, the second adjustment I ever had was when I was already in chiropractic school. But one of the things I knew ever since I was a boy, ever since I was put on this earth, was that I was going to be a doctor one way, shape or form. I never, there has never been a time in my life where I wanted to do anything else, but to be a doctor, help people, teach people about their bodies, teach people about what can go wrong, how to stay healthy, you know, all of it. And my chiropractic story was related to my younger brother. My younger brother was a baseball player, you know, high school, college, everything. And when he was about 14 or so, he developed a lot of back pain as a result. And, you know, they had some trainers, he went and saw his medical doc, you know, who was our family practitioner. Nothing seemed to work. Still had this pain, still had this pain. He played shortstop in third. So, he crossed his body a lot when he threw eventually there was a chiropractor who was volunteering to help out the baseball team. And he goes and sees the chiropractor. He's like, you know, hey, you're 14 years old, you should not have ongoing back pain, like something's going on here, somebody missed something. And he ended up referring my younger brother to have a bone scan of all things. And guess what, the bone scan picked up a PARS fracture right there, you know, L5 and or was it L4? I don't know, it was so long ago, I can't even remember. But you know, he was the one who first uncovered this thing, even though my brother had gone to all these other specialties. And I just remember sitting there saying, man, that guy is so cool. Like I want to think how he thinks, you know, as I, you know, become a doctor, I want to be able to catch stuff like that, you know. And so, he inspired me to really check out the profession. And I was probably about 16 then, 17. And you know, I was talking to medical providers and every medical provider I talked to told me 100% do not go into medicine, do not go into medicine. It's terrible, managed care, we hate it. And I was like, oh my God, am I really going to get myself into this with such negativity? So then when I talked to the chiropractor, he went to and I started talking to other chiropractors, the positivity was so overwhelming. They were like, oh my God, it was the best decision I ever made. I would recommend anybody going into this. And I just felt a pull towards it. And I said, I can't ignore this. I have to go into it. And it's even funnier when I got to undergrad, my freshman year roommate who was still in touch, he's like, hey, you know, my dad's a chiropractor too. You should talk to him. And I was like, oh my God, this is all over the place. And so, I ended up, you know, pretty much right around, you know, freshman, sophomore year of college being like, okay, it's Chiro all the way. And I did not know anything about the profession. When we were juniors and seniors, he was like, hey, I'm doing my masters in Chicago. Why don't you go to national? There's a school right there. And we could be roommates again, like we were in undergrad. And I was like, all right, sold. And that's what put me into chiropractic school, you know? I just felt this pull towards it. And I knew it was going to be a big deal.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  So, Tommy, how was life in Chicago? And you decided to leave the East Coast.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Oh, I loved Chicago. Chicago was great. It was, it really was such a cool city. I lived in Little Italy. So right on Taylor and Ashland Street, which if there's any national grads listening to this, it was right near the old, what they used to call the Chicago general. I lived there all four years. And I had no idea that the campus was 15 miles out in Lombard. And here I am from the East Coast going, oh, it's only 15 miles. It's not going to be that much of a commute. And it turns out, like, oh my God, it's a reverse commute. It takes me an hour. But by the time, you know, campus was, oh, you can have a dorm, I was just too far in. And I was like, you know what? I'll just suck it up and drive out every day. I loved it. I loved living in the city. It was terrific.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  That's cool. You know, and I think that, you know, reminiscing on some of those old times is important for people to see like where they are today. Oh, always. Yeah, always. And I know that you do something unique in the spaces you help train the chiropractic assistants. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Talk about that a little bit because I'm sure that there's other people out there that will watch us and be like, wow, that's cool.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  So, I've been doing that since I was an associate. I was always in, I always kind of lived with this mantra that, you know, doctor always means teacher always. And I think that when I encounter patients or when I encounter everybody, if I could teach them just a little something about their body that maybe they didn't know about, then that's kind of a success, whether they take my advice or not, it's fine. But as an associate, when I first arrived in Maryland, one of the, you know, my partners was teaching a, you know, a CA program that was based from New York chiropractic college. And since I was a new associate, he was like, hey, kid, you want to teach this thing? We'll give you a few bucks on the weekends and you could start to do this. And so, I was like, yeah, I really loved it. When I was a student, I was an anatomy TA, I, you know, worked in the lab. I really liked kind of doing that stuff. And since, you know, when I got to Maryland, we started doing this class and it just started growing and growing and growing. And eventually we did it through the state association sort of myself and one of the other instructors kind of folded our courses in on each other. And now the state association does it. And I was their primary instructor. So, one of these days, they were like, you know, years ago, probably about 10 or 15 years now, they're like, we want to put this course online. So, I basically filmed a course that was 76 hours of me in front of a camera doing anatomy, terminology, PT modalities, all of it. And, you know, Maryland is one of the states where the CAs have to be certified, passive board exam, all of that. I know most states, they don't have that. But in Maryland, you know, licensure or registration is required by law. And so, I'm really happy that through our state association, I get to teach this course and I still do it. I have other instructors now that help me. And what I tell them was the same thing that I was told, you know, look, if you want to get involved in any of the leadership in the profession, sometimes just teaching is the way in, you know, get in front of a group, start talking, come to the state association meetings and it kind of builds from there.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  So I kind of feel the same parallel, you know, to show it teaches. Yeah. And now we have an audience of people that appreciate the free thing that we do. Yeah. And a lot of opportunities happen because of that. That's exactly it.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Yeah. Exactly. And it's, and it's like that even with patients, if you're always providing value and you're always doing stuff, you know, good things will happen.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  So yeah, a little, I don't know, a lot of people don't know this, but the people that watch the show might, I actually worked as a sea chiropractic biophysics traction tech for almost six years. Now that I didn't know. So I worked, I worked in a clinic at the beginning of my chiropractic career start career started 15 years ago. So that's how I got in. I started working as a guide, you know, do them curve correction therapy with patients and watching their journey. Yeah. And I'm like, man, this is a pretty cool profession.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Yeah. It's, it's really cool. And when, yeah, when I teach, I basically say that, you know, look, the whole point of this thing is so when patients ask you, you know, Oh, docs in the other room, but patients will ask you, Hey, what's this for? Why am I doing this? You know, you should have a much better answer than, uh, I don't know. Let me go ask the doc, you know, so that's the whole thing. It's a standard that we want to try to hold ourselves to.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, have you also noticed that like through that, um, program that people are like going through the CA group, they're like, I think I want to be a doctor actually.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Oh God. I've had probably 10 or more have gone on to chiropractic schools. I bump into them sometimes at conferences and they're like, Dr Crivelli, do you remember me? I was in your CA program how many years ago. I was like, wow, that's so cool. And yeah, I've written recommendations for students. I was even at FCA a handful of years ago. And I had two of my former students in Maryland who were CAs who are now CAs in Florida. And they just came right up to me and we're like, Dr. Crivelli, we took your course in Maryland like five years ago. And now we're here. And, you know, Oh my God, what's been happening? By the way, can you adjust this real fast? So, it was funny. It was funny kind of getting bumped into it like that. It was really cool.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah. People that watch our show, you know, we, we live in a very small world when it comes to the chiropractic profession.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  like the Chiro verse, the Chiro verse.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah. So, so plenty of time helping CAs then leadership, right? You started doing work with, I think, both Maryland and Virginia.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Yeah. So I've been a board member on the Maryland chiropractic association now for 15 or more years. And I got started just because I volunteered to go to a Medicare meeting. I knew some guys, I went to some seminars and said, Hey, how do I get involved? You know, I had always been someone who was involved in leadership in one way, shape, or form. You know, I was like the fraternity house president. And I was, you know, class president when I was in high school and things like that. So I was always, I always gravitated towards that. And yeah, I found somebody who was, you know, in the association and said, Hey, I'd like to get involved. And one day he called me up and said, Hey, could you go to a Medicare meeting? I was like, yeah, sure, I'll go. Made a little report. And then the next thing I knew I was on the insurance committee. And the next thing I knew, I was the chair of the insurance committee. And then I got a phone call that said, Hey, guess what? We nominated you for vice president. So, and it was just kind of off. And, you know, I always say that professionally, when it comes to professional things, associations and task forces and committees, you know, I never say no. You know, I just say yes to all of it because I love the profession so dearly from top to bottom that I have energy. And I tell everybody all the time, I'm like, you're never getting rid of me. I said, I will devote as much time and energy to this profession as I can until I don't have a breath in me. So I said, while I'm still young and while I still have some pep in my step, use me for all I'm worth. So I'm just one of those guys who volunteers and, you know, always got uncomfortable when no one picked their hand up and said who volunteers and I'd look around and, okay, I guess it'll have to be me, you know. But yeah, and I love the state associations. I think they're wonderful.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah, I think, you know, listening to this might take away for anybody out there is look, start showing up participating with groups that matter to you. Yeah, and somebody will put you to work.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  100% and you know, the advice I got, the advice I got early on was three things. Number one was show up, right? Number two was stay. That's the most important part, right? So many docs go to like, Oh, I went to one meeting. I went to one convention. I went to one thing, you know, and the third was always be prepared, you know, if you're going to go to stuff. But I think that second one is the most important stay, you know, it's easy to kind of go to one board meeting and be like, I don't know. I didn't see much there or go to one convention and be like, they didn't have the speakers I liked. So whatever, but our stay part is the most important.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  We are getting one adjustment and some chiropractic didn't work. Right. Exactly.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Yes. Stay. Stay is the most important thing. Stay.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah. And in marketing, we say stay pay refer.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Right.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Right. Exactly. Exactly. And if we get people to stay, stay is it that then your PVA goes up. Yeah. And then you get a referral based practice. Yeah.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Stay is it.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Right. I think that that's a big component to the chiropractic, the chiroverse, like you say. Yeah. Yeah. Like if a chiropractor is in the chiroverse, you have to understand the marketing components that aren't so much marketing components. That's right. But it's delivering a good service.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  I think that that's the most essential element of it. And one of the other things I've always found too is, you know, patients will kind of go with their own speed. Right. And I think what's most important for a doctor whose practices in the field is to, you know, accept patients where they are. Right. You we all know that most patients are going to hit your door because something hurts. Right. And it may take them a little while to sort of get the whole message, you know, and be patient with them. Sometimes they will. Sometimes it's like, Hey, Doc, guess what? Oh, it's been like six visits. Peace out. I'll see you later. But then guess what? They'll come back. Right. It'll come back. And as long as you kind of, you know, I would say like one of the theme songs should be, hold on loosely. Right. It's just kind of be very approachable and caring and say, Hey, listen, I'm here for you, no matter what. I think this is what you should do. I think you should kind of get into this chiropractic lifestyle and exercise and eat well and everything. But, you know, if you just want to use me for this quick fix right now, I'm here all the time. I'm not going to judge you either way because you'll come back.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Well, that's the thing too, man. Is as I've gotten more and more integrated in this profession, chiropractors, the part where they don't talk a lot about is the patient breakup. Yeah. That has to have like a cumulative effect on a practitioner that says, gosh, I have started double digit new patients for every week for this past month. And now my, they're not here anymore. Like, yeah, what am I doing wrong? How do I fix me? How do I fix me? Or right.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Or, or conversely, right? And now look, this happens with some, but what am I doing right? Are they not coming back because they feel great and no one just calls to say, Hey, I feel great. So where's the follow up there? Hey, we noticed you haven't come in. Are you feeling good or you feel like let's talk? Communication is key.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  But that's the thing too. There's a lot of churn with, with a lot of practice. Yeah. And the ego has to like be, you know, temperament. You know, you have to be like, you know what? Uh, I know I made a great connection with that person. Yeah. I know that I drove home the big Y of why we do what we do. Right. Um, I know I delivered it an excellent adjustment. Yeah. I know that I, you know, it's either two things, right? Time or money. Yeah. Exactly. Right. Or, or you got them feeling better.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Right. And it's one of those things where sometimes, you know, it's the old saying, right? It's not the seed. It's the soil, right? If the message is there and the, and everything was great and the patient had a great experience. The adjustment was awesome. The office looked great. You were professional. They trust you. You're caring. You know, your message is on point. You know, and sometimes it's just how that message was received by the end party. And I think it's important for us not to judge that, to just say, Hey, listen, I'm doing the best I can and the people will respond to it. They will.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  So, so let's, let's roll this into a future pace system. Um, proxies are growing. I think I hear this a lot. It's never been a greater time to be in chiropractor. Um, yeah. I hear that. Um, is that still a theme that we'll be living with? And is that something that you believe will be a theme that will be following for the next decade?

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  I think so. I think so. One of the things that concerns me as I'm sure it probably has with some of the other guests is the out of control cost of actually educating a chiropractor, right? You know, students come out of school and the debt, the debt load is huge. And this is not just a chiropractic problem.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  This is every, it's right. Every educational resource out there. Right.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  So at some point, you know, the question has to be asked as far as, you know, for all of this money spent, what is the return? Am I going to be able to pay these loans back and not only pay them back, but have a successful practice, pay for my family, pay for my life? That's a huge concern, right? And I think that's something that not just chiropractic needs to figure out, but everybody needs to figure that out, right? Um, but as far as the profession, you know, I've always maintained that we are a weird amalgamation, right? We're sort of half in and half out of the healthcare system, right? We're sort of got one foot in it, one foot out. And I think that that perfectly positions us for the future, right? We're not fully in what we would say, like Western health care or the health care system to be bought and sold like a lot of the other professions are, right? We're not fully in, but we're in enough, right? We're in enough like in universities and the research is there and all of it. We're in enough to establish some, you know, cultural authority, some trust. You know, we can reach the public on that method, right? But we're out of it because we're really one of the only professions that talks about the chiropractic lifestyle, wellness, eating, right exercise, getting adjusted. Who else is doing that? You know, every other profession wants to do it. And so I think that we can kind of have it both ways with our profession. And I do think there's room. We're a big tent profession, as you know, right? And I think there's room for all of us. And I think that, you know, there's so much more that we agree on than we don't agree on that I think there is room for someone who's, you know, say, for example, at Dartmouth doing a PhD, doing research on chiropractic, as well as the field practitioners who are cash based, not in the insurance system at all, and talk about wellness and, you know, family care and everything. I think we got room for everybody.

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DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Well, I'm encouraged by it too. And the part that I think that we have to do better on, you know, I, I mean, I'm just going to throw us out there. I've thought that for a long time. I thought we should be educating students at those programs in Mexico and getting them licensed to practice in America. Sure. It's like, it's like getting a dental, you know, degree in the UK, yeah, veterinarian degree in Romania, right. And saying, Hey, I'm going to go states now and pass their boards and practice. Yeah. Like I've also, I mean, obviously, I knew Chiro's at, I knew Chiro's at

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  national that were other professions. And when they came here, you know, the licensure didn't transfer. And these are like smart, smart, smart people. And they were like, yeah, I was a medical doctor. I was a chemist. I was this, you know, and when they come here, it just didn't kind of transfer. And we're sort of the same, you know, there's some issues there that maybe we have to iron out, you know, yeah.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  But I mean, the affordability complex of higher education, especially a doctor program, like you were mentioning, we do have to find out. How to balance exchange, like the fees for services, because they haven't changed. Yeah, like fees per services have not changed. Right. But the education has ramped up dramatically, significantly. So we just have to figure out eventually how to get those to start coming together better, then start to divide more.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Right. Because we can't, we can't sort of participate in this. Let's keep raising our fees because then we're unaffordable. And one of the things that makes chiropractic so great is we are affordable and we are the most cost effective form of health care that exists. Oh, we can't.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  We can't also price ourselves out. No, exactly.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Right. If you go to, if you go too high, then people aren't going to come to you. If you, if your fees are too low, then you're not going to be able to, you know, like a living or afford the cost of your education to make a living. So we have to kind of stay within a range in order to keep our crown of affordability.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah, I'll be really curious to see about how that happens over the next two decades.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Yeah. Yeah. I'm really interested to see where it goes. I'm excited to be a part of it and I'm excited that I've been lucky enough to be in some of the rooms where these things are talked about. But yeah, I'm really, I'm excited though. I think, like I said, we're positioned to, you know, to be in a really good spot. Everybody now is paying attention to the value of healthcare. And so I think that that's one of the things that we do better than anybody else. Yeah.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  That's, that's, that's what really drew me into the profession 15 years ago is I was like, wow.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  People get better, faster, better, faster with much less cost. It's amazing, isn't it? And the satisfaction is through the roof.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Oh, we've had to also like bridge off the dogma of being weird and quacks. Yeah. And, you know, fighting through that cultural, like, you know, dysregulation. Yeah. Say and hey, don't trust those guys. They just listen, I was warned, right?

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  I was warned by the chiropractic mentors that I had before I went into the profession. They go listen, Crivelli. It's a wonderful profession. You're going to love it every single day. But here's the downside. And I was like, OK, what's the downside? And they're like most of the other healthcare universe out there thinks we're illiterate, right? And they go, and that'll bother you for the first, you know, maybe third of your career, but then at some point you'll look at your practice and go, wow, look at all the stuff I'm doing, look at these lives I'm changing, look at what I'm up to. And you won't even care anymore. You know, you won't even care what the others say, but then you can find room to work to make the profession better and better and better, right?

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah. And, you know, I, I referenced this a lot, but chiropractors have always said that we stand on the shoulders of giants. Absolutely. And philosophy is one of those things that really matters to me as, as what we do as a production. So who have been some of the people you said mentors just now? Like who have been some of the people that have mentors you to get you to this, this guy you are today throughout your career?

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Well, you know, I mean, if we go with like non chiropractors, you know, just mentors in general, you know, I'm a big Wayne Dyer fan. I love Simon Sinek. And I hope to see him at Parker. I mean, these guys are just amazing when they talk about things like spirit and being a servant leader and constantly asking the question of how may I serve and not what's in it for me. I mean, I know it's kind of a tried answer. People say that a lot, but it really brings true with me. I really think that the more I can do for the profession, the better off that I'll be, right? And if there's a fictional character that I could point to, it'd probably be Batman because in one of the movies, when they said that we can never thank you and he looks at him and says, and you'll never have to, right? And I always kind of say, I always that always kind of rung true with me where I'm like, you know, I basically I don't do this for anything else. I do it because I love the profession. Everything I do, that's why I do it. And no one ever has to say thank you to me. But, you know, besides those two guys chiropractic wise, I mean, you know, guys like Jay Greenstein have been a mentor to me professionally and personally for so long. Guys like Wayne Whalen from California and, you know, guys like Ron Fariball from Ohio, these are the docs that when I was younger, I would just feel, you know, comfortable talking to them and just say, Hey, guys, what do you think? How can I do this? How can I do that? They always had time for me. Even guys like, you know, in our state association, I'll give some love to our state, you know, doctors Don Hirsch, Mark Wells, people like that in Maryland, who are my, you know, confidants and friends for many, many years, you know, Dr. Ron de Sharman, just docs that are like my family members. And we always we bounce ideas off each other. We try to guide each other as best we can personally, professionally, all of it. So it's a really wonderful thing to have those kind of mentors.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah. You know, that's one of the reasons I love this show. Yeah. Is I get the chance to like B.J. Palmer's favorite famous quote is, I love you because you love what I love. Yeah. And, you know, it's important sometimes to go back and rekindle our own emotional state. Oh, yeah. Like, I've like, who did fire me up to be this? And who did important to me? Yeah.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  And my, I'll give a shout out to the two that were early mentors was he's passed away now, but his name was Ralph Ben-Javango. He was the one who fixed my brother. And the other one who's father, you know, he was the father of my old roommates, Dr. Dr. Rampula. And he went to NYCC all those years ago. So yeah, there's those are guys that have inspired me my whole way. And I heard the saying once a long time ago, you like each other because you're like each other. And I always think that that's funny too, right? You like each other because you're like each other.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  But that's just a thing. You know, a lot of times we go through our careers and our path and we don't really like remember like we don't pay reverence. We don't pay tribute to people too much. Yeah. So this gives a good option for people to say, you know what, you know what? That was important to me.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  And maybe we'll have to do that in our profession. Why don't we pick a day and say, listen, we all celebrate Founders Day. But why don't we establish in our profession in the Chiro verse, why don't we call it mentor day or who was it? And everybody can just go on social media and say, these are the guys that inspired me to do this. I think it's important that we remember that. Really? Yeah.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  And maybe pick those people and write out like a little love letter to them saying, yeah, this is what you did for me. Yes. You know, imagine those old teachers that were like, yeah, and getting something like that from like students that have been out for like 10 years. They're doing years. Yeah, that would be amazing. The teachers that actually poured into you in anatomy and physiology class.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Oh, yeah. You can remember every single one of them.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah. You know, just imagine the impact of that just to have that giving back day, giving back with like sincerity. I remember them all. Yeah. That's why I love doing this segment because people get a chance to like dive back into like reminiscent mode. Yeah. You know, they can say, gosh, I am who I am today because of these people. Right. Plus tell, bless, tell, blessed. It's amazing. Yeah. So let's close out with your blessing. Right. A miracle story. Oh, yeah. Let's send us off with something to inspire people.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  So my miracle story is it wasn't necessarily it was a it was a miracle in a sense for the patient. Right. But it was also one of the moments in my professional life that I had a paradigm shift. Right. And you know, for those of you who went to national around the same time that I did, at the time, no instruments were allowed. It was hands only. Right. And if you were seen with an activator or something, it was, you know, curtains for you, you know, and when I got out into practice, you know, you realize that, hey, some people just aren't comfortable with hands or some people don't, you know, some people are too delicate, whatever. So got myself an activator and then eventually I got myself one of the, you know, auto activators. I think it's one, the one by Urconia, the adjuster, I think it is. And so I started using that more, getting a little bit more into it. And, you know, my primary method to adjust people is with the hands. But if someone was like, Dr. Seek, can you not use your hands? Can you do something else? You know, then I would just go for that. And, you know, I will freely admit that I was the world's biggest skeptic when it comes to this stuff. I was like, Oh, come on. Is this really doing anything? And I had a woman who was like, I don't like the hands. Can you not wrench me around? I was like, okay, sure. I got the activator, click the click and use the auto gun. Right. And I put it right over the spot and she came in the next day and said, Dr. Crivelli, I have to tell you, I had the best nights sleep I've ever had in the last 10 years because of that with the gun. And that like opened my mind, like I never even thought because I was like, Oh, my God, look at this. You know, this is something that, you know, I was closed off to at some point. And again, this was a, it was a big deal for her because she had the best night sleep. She's had in a decade, but it was a bigger deal for me because I realized that sometimes, you know, what you know, what you think you know can be changed and challenged in a minute just by something else. And so after that, I always kept my mind open to anything in this profession, right? Anything. Yeah. And that was like the big, like I said, it was a double miracle. Not only was it a miracle for her. It was a miracle for me because it made me really drove the point home.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Well, it's just not moving the bone. It's changing the tone. Yeah. Yeah. And when you change the tone of someone's nervous system, 100%, it changes the outcome of their behavior. Yeah. Which is their activities of daily living, which is sleep. Always. Yeah. Like there's nothing greater than giving someone their sleep back. Exactly.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Right. Nothing greater. And to see the look on her face when she said she had the best night's sleep, she's had in years, it was really something else to see that. It was amazing.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Well, Dr. Lewis, is there anything I didn't touch on that you'd like to share with our audience today?

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  No, just, um, you know, listen, this is a wonderful profession, as we already know. Um, I think that what we need to do as a profession is to just kind of keep doing what we're doing, coming off as the most compassionate, caring healthcare providers that patients can see. I mean, every single patient comes out and says, wow, that was the best history. That was the best physical. So just project that type of compassion, project that type of trust, you know, and never stop asking questions, you know, even for other chiros. Right. Am I really doing this the right way? Is what I'm doing really working, right? And always, always, always continue to seek knowledge, continue to seek knowledge, collaborate with others, all of it. You know, it's a wonderful profession.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Well, I'm really thankful to have you on today. I know it's been; I am the one who was thankful. Thank you. Um, your episode 582. All right. I'll go play the lottery. Five of you too. If people want to connect with you or learn more about you and what you're doing with your CA training, how do they reach out to you?

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  So my email is just drCrivelli at gmail.com. Uh, I'm on social media just as me, Lewis Crivelli. My Instagram is just drCrivelli. Um, and honestly, my cell number is 312-498-7934. I've been giving it out to every patient, every CA for the last 10 years. So, I got no problems giving my cell number out. 312-498-7934. Um, yeah. So, I'm really easy to get in touch with. I'm out there. I'm, you know, just like everybody else circulating around.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  312 is the Chicago area.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  It is. I, it is. That's where I got my first cell phone and I've always kept the number. Always, always. Yep. Always kept it.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Well, that brings me a lot of joy because I started my chiropractic career in Arlington Heights.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  There you go. Mine was in, uh, yeah, mine was at national and my first, uh, CA job. And then I continued on as a doc was in buck town.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  I lived on 55 and Algonquin. Yeah. Love it. Love it. Nope. Right over by Schomburg. Of course. So Dr. Crivelli, uh, at gmo.com. Yeah. We want to four nine eight seven nine three four.

DR LOUIS CRIVELLI DC (GUEST):  Yup. Anytime I'm always open to anyone in this profession. Love it. Thank you.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Thank you for being on with me today. I'll close up by telling everybody like I always do. You're just one story away. Keep hustling. I'll see you guys on the next episode.

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