March 3, 2024

A Conversation and a Book About DD Palmer with Dr Myron Brown DC – Chiro Hustle Podcast 540

Dr. Myron D. Brown speaks before groups nationally and internationally on a variety of subjects including leadership, education, and chiropractic philosophy.

With an extensive background in education, administration, accreditation and practice, he has led an accreditation agency; served as Executive Vice President/Provost of a chiropractic college; and a Professor of Clinical Sciences. He has also served on the Boards of Trustees of two chiropractic colleges.

For the city of Rock Hill, South Carolina, he has been a board member of the Economic Development Corporation Board, the Catawba Area Coalition for the Homeless, and the No Room for Racism Committee. Brown is a Past-President of the Rock Hill Toastmasters Club.

Brown enjoys the history of his profession, the development of the chiropractic profession, and practicing in Rock Hill, South Carolina.

Dr. Brown and his wife Charlene reside in Rock Hill. Their daughter, Arianna resides in Knoxville, Tennessee, and their son, Jarred, is now deceased.


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LUKE MILLETT (PRODUCER):  Hey guys, welcome to episode 540 of the Chiro Hustle Podcast. I'm your producer, Luke Millett, and here's your host, James Chester.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  So today we have the opportunity of interviewing Dr. Myron Brown. If you want to hear a conversation about Giddy Palmer in the book he's writing, stay tuned. Welcome back! This is another episode of the Chiro Hustle Podcast. Today it is episode 540. Really excited to have Dr. Myron Brown coming on with me. I met him at the Palometto Chiropractic Association. I was out there giving a talk to the group there, and one of our team members, Duane Hoskin, says, hey, you got to go meet this Dr. Myron Brown guy, he's working on this book, and he's done a lot for chiropractic over the years. And Dr. Myron's been practicing for 49 years. He said that he'll be good maybe in one year when it turns 50 years in practice. But I let him tell that story. As we get into this episode, I just want to let everyone know the big why. Why do we do it? We do over here at Chiro Hustle. Well, first things first is the First Amendment. We protect freedom of speech. We've never censored anyone on this podcast and 4th of July we turned 6 years old. So that's a long time of not censoring people. Really cool stuff. We also believe that there should be medical freedom and family health freedom. Those are things that we stand true with and they are not the same thing. One is for the family, one is for you, the person. So sovereignty of your body is your choice. And then we get into more philosophical stuff. I know we're going to have a great philosophical conversation today. We'll talk about the rotivo-subluxation centered model of chiropractic, which I think is really cool. And we stand behind that too. We protect and believe in subluxation based chiropractic. So that's something. And I know that the rabbit holes deep with this one, but the sacred trust. We do believe in BJ Palmer's last words and protecting the sacred trust and guardian at well. And then last, but not least. Inate intelligence and universal intelligence are two things that we really believe in. We believe that when man or woman, the physical gets adjusted, it connects them to man or woman, the spiritual. And with that, Dr. Mayan Brown, welcome to Chiro Hustle.

DR MYRON BROWN DC (GUEST):  Thank you so much. It's good to be here with you, James.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah. First things first, 49 years in practice. What was the impetus for you to become a chiropractor?

DR MYRON BROWN DC (GUEST):  My brother is a chiropractor. He's five years older than I am practices still today in right outside of Atlantic City, New Jersey. He was one of the individuals that graduated from a college that no longer exists in New York City. In fact, his last grad, his graduating class of 12 was the last class that they sent out of the chiropractic Institute of New York. And his preparation was very medically oriented, yet he knew something about chiropractic in that our father had had great improvement and health problems after getting under chiropractic care brought my brother to the chiropractic Institute of New York because it was close to where we lived in New Jersey. He went through there and after graduating, he was kind of a little bit of a lost soul, not knowing what he wanted to do and realizing his preparation as a chiropractor was somewhat substandard. So he didn't have the enthusiasm that I was blessed to have after getting into practice, but he did know something about it and he ran into a fellow by the name of Reggie Gold. Now, Reggie, I'm sure some of your listeners have heard that name because he's a giant amongst the philosophers of chiropractic. And although now deceased, many people still talk about Reggie, my brother took me to some meetings at Reggie's house where he would feed you first in a cookout in the backyard. Then he would bring about 30 to 50 of us into his lecture room inside and he'd talk about chiropractic philosophy. And I went to a number of those meetings and my brother supported me through the idea of finding out about chiropractic. Then he also, by the way, my brother's name is Marty Brown and he's very well known on the East Coast as chiropractor, somewhat a little senior to myself. And so he took me to meet a few other people who were giants in the profession, took me to meet Joe Strauss, who was a young man just really breaking out in practice at that time. Joe Strauss wrote all those blue books that some of your listeners have, probably a lot of your listeners have seen in red. Also took me to meet a fellow by the name of Jim Ziggafus who listened to all my questions about what would you do if you had a real sick patient? And are you a real doctor? All those kind of novice questions. And I have all the right answers from these giants of chiropractic. So I enrolled at Palmer College in 1970, wanting to go to the best chiropractic school that existed in 1970. And at that time I enjoyed every minute there. But I must say I was a little disappointed because I thought all of what I was going to learn was like Reggie Gold and Jim Ziggafus and Joe Strauss and my brother and I found out, well actually they were trying to ape the medical profession even in 1970, which was only nine years after BJ Palmer had passed away. But they were in a big shift at that time. And so I got into the profession mildly disappointed about my education but still very enthusiastic about it. And during my senior year in Palmer, they started a new college down in South Carolina, Sherman College, and they were holding their first lysium. So I went down there and found out what that was all about. Met Tom Gelardi who Reggie introduced me to. Next thing you know I graduated a couple of weeks after that and I think three weeks after that I was on the faculty at Sherman. And so I was really wet behind the ears but full of enthusiasm trying to make up for what I didn't know. And so that's how I got into the profession.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Does that answer your question? It does and it sparks me up with the funny question to follow that up with. What was the going rate for an adjustment when you got out of chiropractic college?

DR MYRON BROWN DC (GUEST):  Well first thing let me tell you my tuition at Palmer was $400 a quarter at the time. So a whole lot less than when I graduated I had just a tiny bit of student loan debt. But it measured out to about I think around $2,000 and that was because of my undergraduate, not because of my chiropractic education. I believe and I'm really scratching cobwebs to answer this accurately. But I believe that when I first started to practice it was somewhere around eight or nine dollars a visit and that was the going rate. So I think that's changed a little since then.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah it's just a fun thing for me to hear because I interviewed a gentleman earlier named Lee Newman and he was the second generation chiropractor and he grew up with his dad and he's like I remember when my dad was doing $4 adjustments.

DR MYRON BROWN DC (GUEST):  Well you know we have a fascinating history in this profession and the more you look into it the more interesting it becomes. I remember one time I was traveling and visiting with Carl Cleveland president of Cleveland College and he was telling me about how his grandparents and trying to think I think even to some extent his parents practiced with a jail bag by the door because they didn't know when they might get arrested. So we have a colorful profession.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah I'm sure you've seen a lot of regulatory agencies come through the profession and different types of standardizations of how we produce chiropractors and different models. So I know that you're working on something right now. It's relatively new you were saying called the International Agency for Chiropractic Evaluation. Would you mind gleaning on some of the construct of that for us?

DR MYRON BROWN DC (GUEST):  Sure and there's probably some of the chiropractors listening that are aware of this but I would suspect most are not because this is an emerging accrediting agency. It is an agency devoted toward academic excellence in the field of vertebral subluxation education. So the goal is simply to try to educate chiropractors to deliver the highest possible vertebral subluxation centered care. That is not in competition whether opposed to anything else going on in this profession or any other but what it does that no other agency is interested in or capable of doing is it focuses on expertise needed to evaluate a vertebral subluxation centered education program. And so we've been developing this for a number of years but if I get too far a field just pull me back but I would want to mention this is although emerging as an accrediting agency it's not a brand new thing. The international agency for chiropractic evaluation actually started in 2001 and at that time it was started not to be an accrediting body but to be a testing agency. There was a contact made by the people who lead the national association of chiropractors in Argentina and they don't have a recognized profession in their country and what they had been doing is they've been training chiropractors who were practicing under other healthcare licenses and in addition to what they studied in the various medical fields they were then adding study postgraduate level in chiropractic. There was nobody overseeing that and they wanted proficiency tests so they contacted Tom Jelardi who was then the president of Sherman College and they asked him if he could help them to put together an appropriate proficiency test for already practicing chiropractors in Argentina. So I was assigned that job of bringing the expertise together. At that time and I'll reach a couple of the names that I wrote down that wanted to not fail to mention who the founders of the agency were but Crowder from Davenport, Iowa is a giant in the field of upper cervical chiropractic. He was a friend and mentor to me for many years sadly now deceased. He was one of the founders of IACE. Joe Strauss who I mentioned before was founder Ralph Boone who was a researcher as well as a former college president at the Southern California College of Chiropractic and also served as president of the New Zealand College of Chiropractic. Irene Gold who is very well known in our profession as an individual who helps people to prepare for national boards. Dan Coon who was the chair of the Board of Trustees of the Southern California College of Chiropractic and Russ Grazier who was a member of the New Hampshire Board of Examiners and myself. So with this particular level of expertise we put together tests and they were administered on a number of occasions in Argentina. More than 100 people have successfully passed that test and it was used as a preliminary or a prerequisite to entrance into an accredited university program teaching what was called a diplimatura, a postgraduate level program in Chiropractic in Argentina. So we started out with IACE being strictly a testing agency. And quite a few years later in 2012 another group of experts in Chiropractic education got together and formed something called the sustainability group. Not well known but have been working diligently for more than 10 years now as a think tank. They're not an association that you can go and join. They're looking at the state of the profession and trying to find out what we can do to advance Vertebral Subluxation Center training and practice. Let me mention the names of this very diverse group of experts in Chiropractic education. Amongst, well the first one I've already mentioned was Tom Gelardi again the founder of Sherman College was one of the founders of the sustainability group. D.D. Humber, longtime vice president of Life University. Christopher Kent, currently one of the administrators in the research area at Sherman College. Bill Decken, longtime faculty member at Sherman College. Serge Sautre, former assistant to the president at Life University under Sid Williams. And Felicia Stewart, a practitioner as well as a member of the faculty of the Academy of Chiropractic philosophers. So this group, the sustainability group was studying the problems of the profession. And what they determined was that there is a cartel that controls and coordinates everything going on in the profession to keep it more medically or condition centered, medically oriented, but while I'm not out to necessarily tear down that group, I would point out that their interest in vertebral subluxation is minimal if at all, but they do not evaluate vertebral subluxation. So the sustainability group looked at that and they studied other problems of the profession for three years, problems that led to the non-proliferation of vertebral subluxation-minded chiropractors. And they said, this can't go on if we're going to have sustainability. And so they, after studying it, they came to the conclusion that we need an accrediting body. So I'm talking all about how did IAC come about as an accrediting agency? They contacted the IAC after consulting with experts in Washington, D.C., about accreditation. They even had consultation with the leadership of the CCE, which is the other specialized accrediting agency. And everybody came to the same conclusion. You guys need an accrediting body that looks at vertebral subluxation. And so they contacted IAC and I brought this request to the board of IAC that we form an accrediting body. In 2012, that was passed by resolution. And since that time, we have been doing all of the legwork that it takes from the ground up to create an accrediting agency. And so now we are out there emerging. And as of approximately one week ago, we had the first college apply for official status. And that happens to be one of the finest existing chiropractic colleges, the New Zealand College of Chiropractic, has officially applied for status with IAC and we're in conversation with several others, but we'll see what happens there.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  So this leads me to further curiosity. Does this mean that when somebody gets their diploma that they can pass your test and have the equivalency to go practice in the states that they choose to?

DR MYRON BROWN DC (GUEST):  Only that doesn't mean that at all. And what it is, is we are not looking at replacing any of the existing structure, although we would like to see the cartel release some of its stranglehold so that it doesn't make it difficult for people to gain their licensure and practice with a vertebral subluxation centered education. However, we are not out to create a war over that thing, but we're attempting to do is to look at the quality of the vertebral subluxation centered part of a program. So here's how it might work. We have two types of status. The first one is a status that involves certification. Certification is just looking at a portion of an institution. And we also have the second type, which is accreditation where you look at the entire institution. So an accreditation body might look at things like the finances of a college to see if it's going to have the potential to last a long time and to put on a good program. They would look at the physical facility. They would look at all the credentials. They would look at the entire institution. Whereas an institution might also only want certification from an agency like IACE. And so what we would do is we would then have a team evaluate just the vertebral subluxation centered part of what they are teaching, not look at the entire institution. Now it's not unusual in the world of education for this to be done. For instance, if you were running a major university like the University of South Carolina, and you would gain regional accreditation by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools. Now, then your music college might say, well, we want accreditation by the specialized music agency. So while they're still accredited by the Southern Association, they would then gain separate accreditation just for their music program. And so we would offer certification just for the vertebral subluxation centered relevancy in their program. Does that make sense?

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DR MYRON BROWN DC (GUEST):  Not at this time. Now, and another thing you would want to be aware of is we don't have at this time recognition from the US Office of Education. That would be necessary for state boards to want to have the students sit for licensure exams and such. That you don't apply for US Office of Education status until you've been functioning for three years as an accrediting body. And the clock just started ticking with us for about a week ago when the first college applied. And so we're going to have to show a track record of successful activity before we could even apply for that type of status.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Well, I usually wait till the end of interviews to get people to support a mission. But if you guys are wanting to support Dr. Myron Brown and this international agency for chiropractic evaluation, go to . That's international Jump on board, support this group. It's fundamental to the future of chiropractic. I really believe so. And I just wanted to give a round of applause here for the people that are spearheading this and getting this started one week ago and looking forward to where we are three years from now. So we'll be revisiting this in 2026. And we'll see where we're at. And hopefully we have some firm understanding that we are protecting the sacred trust as we open up with. So this is a direct example of this. But thank you for doing that. And I know you're working on a novel on the life of DD Palmer. I want to touch on that, talk about that, and see what you would like to share with us about this book.

DR MYRON BROWN DC (GUEST):  Well, I'd love to share it because I've been working on this for quite a while. It's one of those projects that you love doing. Although I have no interest in becoming a writer. I'm not trying to make a second career out of writing. But the story needed to be told. And so of the people who could write this book, I may not have been the most competent writer in the world, but I wanted to be the individual that was willing to do it. The story of DD Palmer's life is fascinating. And actually I shouldn't say just DD Palmer, but it's focused and centered around DD Palmer. In fact, the name of the book is “The Beekeeper”, which is one of DD Palmer's early occupations long before becoming a magnetic healer and then founding the chiropractic profession. And maybe I'll back up just a little bit and say that this is a work of historical fiction. And it's done that way for a deliberate reason. When I was an academic, leading an academic program at a chiropractic college, I did a fair amount of scholarly work. And I found that it was very fulfilling, but there's something a little tedious about scholarly work. When you write an article or you publish something that's scholarly, everything must be very reliable, it must be footnoted, you must have evidence for everything you say. And while I didn't want to take a shortcut and not provide accurate information, what I found was it's not all that much fun. And so, but my scholarly work in the history of chiropractic goes back to the time when I was a student at Palmer College. And Dave Palmer was the president of the college when I went through. Dave was the grandson of the founder or the son of BJ Palmer. And while he was of a much different ilk than either his father or grandfather, he was leading the college at that time. And we didn't see a lot of him on campus. But I remember one of the things that he liked to do was to bring all of the students together of the first year students together for an assembly. And he put us all in the theater there. And he would talk about his reminiscence of his grandfather. He didn't really know that well because he was pretty small. And what life was like being a Palmer and being BJ's son, which he said quite a bit about, things like how much he disliked taking care of the alligators in the basement of a mansion and things like that. But one of the things that struck me as a first year student listening to this conversation with Dave Palmer was that he talked about his grandfather, DD Palmer, being a very successful beekeeper to the extent that his place there along the Mississippi River in Illinois was the most successful apiary in the United States. That he shipped car loads of honey to New York City, which was a fabulous thing. And so as a student, I listened carefully because I saw how inspired Dave Palmer seemed to be telling that story. Many years later, I got together with a colleague in Iowa where we were both practicing within 45 minutes drive of the place called Sweet Home, which was DD Palmer's acreage where he did his raspberry business and his honey production. And so we wanted to find that apiary because we just didn't know where it was. And we thought it would be a great little project to sloot around the side roads of history. So we set out, I spoke to my friend Bud Crowder who was also a good friend as well as the chiropractor to Vern Gilo. Vern Gilo was the author of the Authorized Biography of DD Palmer, authorized by the Palmer family. And so he got together and asked Vern to come out and have dinner with us and we had nice dinner at a Chinese restaurant and we asked him questions about his research on DD Palmer's life. And one of the things we wanted to know about is where is Sweet Home, that acreage where he had his honey production. And he actually showed us on a map and he put one of these little exes, you know, ex-Marxist spot. He was off by a few miles but he was pretty close to the general vicinity. We took it on as a project, had a whole lot of fun with it. And after about a year of fussing around, going to museums, going to City Hall, looking at the archives of Palmer College, you know, it was just that whole process of trying to find that spot and we finally were able to successfully make everything match up. And so we found that we did a video on it. We presented it to the Association for the History of Chiropractic and we wrote a scholarly paper which they published in their journal. So that's how I got started in this and I've done a couple of other things like that. But what I found, again, as I started to say earlier, was that it's tedious. When you've got to record everything and you've got to get everything put down in a scholarly way, it gets a little, I'm going to say a little, maybe not boring isn't really the word, but it just wasn't much fun. And so one of the things I noticed that Gene Dreysel and I were doing was we were looking at the census records and at one time we found that in the house where D.D. Palmer lived, they had himself and his wife and they had a couple of children listed. And then we also noticed that they had a handyman listed. And then we noticed the next year on the census where the next time the cycle came around, a handyman's name was gone. And so was the wife. And so Gene and I are talking about it. I said, well, I'll bet you that Abba ran away with a handyman. Well, we have no evidence whatsoever about that. But when it came time for filling in certain things in my book about the life of D.D. Palmer as historical fiction, I had the ability to talk about how Abba did run away with the handyman, even though it's not true. And maybe true, we have no idea if it's true. And so the book, while it's historical fiction, I'm going to say is at least 90% factual and we filled in the gaps. I just kind of view it like, you know, if they find a dinosaur bone that's three inches long, they can put a whole dinosaur together with you and tell you what they ate for dinner a million years ago. But I was trying to piece together the parts I didn't have.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah, super, super interesting. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this book. And it's called “The Beekeeper”.

DR MYRON BROWN DC (GUEST):  “The Beekeeper” is the name of the book because it seemed to have a great deal of influence over what D.D. Palmer did in his early life. He learned from the bees. He learned how to be a horticulturist, how to make a living. He was also a school teacher at the same time and trying to find himself in his 30s as a young man looking for truth and justice in the world.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Super, super cool. A lot of people don't know this, but D.D. comes from Port Perry, Ontario. So he's actually a Canadian guy. I'm really curious to ask you, why did D.D. because I've been really interested in this. Why did D.D. decide on down Port Iowa and the Mississippi River Valley?

DR MYRON BROWN DC (GUEST):  D.D. Palmer was a student. There's a little bit of uncertainty about whether he was Paul Castor's student or whether he learned his magnetic healing from his son. Sketchiness on the facts of the matter. But according to B.J. Palmer, he was a student of Paul Castor who was a very successful magnetic healer in Otumwa, Iowa. Now, Otumwa’a a little south and west of that area of Davenport. He was so successful, he actually had a small hospital where he took care of patients using magnetic healing. So it's an extraordinary individual. D.D. Palmer took his study there apparently, and again, I'm saying there's still some question about which Castor he learned from. And then he went to Burlington, Iowa, not too long after his wife died. Now his wife's name at that time, by the way, D.D. Palmer was married five times. And he was married to his second wife, Lavinia, and she was the mother of B.J. and she had died when B.J. was three years old. And not too long after that death, he went to Burlington, Iowa, which is south of Davenport along the Mississippi. And he started practicing there. He indicated that the reason he didn't stay in Burlington was that Paul Castor's son also opened the magnetic healing practice, not too long after that, in Burlington. And he didn't really want to be competing with him. And he also wanted a bigger community than Burlington. And that's what led him up River to Davenport, where he opened his magnetic healing practice on the corner of 2nd and Brady Street. Did I answer your question?

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Yeah, this is really helping me out with some historical resonance with my own self, because I talk to the public all the time. And there's a lot of stuff that I don't know about this brilliant profession and how it was founded and what the founders, what drew them to the Quad Cities area where I'm from. And starting the PCS, the Palmer School of Chiropractic, and there's a lot of things that I've heard that one of the dad or son, BJ or DD, wanted to keep chiropractic a secret and didn't want to tell the world about it. And there was a lot of turmoil amongst both of them, almost animosity and fighting and near-death experiences. So I know that is some of this going to be in the book?

DR MYRON BROWN DC (GUEST):  Some of it is definitely in the book. And we do, in the earlier part of the book, we talk about his origins in Canada that you spoke about. DD Palmer, though born on the frontier near Toronto, Canada. And Port Prairie appears to have been actually a mistake as part of the historic record, although it was written down that way. But it was in the nearby area, it was actually in the country. That their home was a rural location and really could be considered the frontier of Canada. They called it Canada West in those days. And his father's business failed. I'm trying to remember his first name, can't pull it out at the top of my head. But DD Palmer's father was suddenly facing an economic crisis in his life. And he and his wife and DD Palmer's sisters, they made a decision to move to Iowa. And the reason they came to Iowa had nothing to do with death in Port or with healing arts. It was because there was a coal mining boom going on in the central part of Iowa. And so DD Palmer's parents moved to watch cheer. It's a two word, what cheer Iowa. And I believe they had a furniture business there. I know he had been a postmaster at part of his life as well. But the odd thing about it, and I think this had an important part in shaping DD Palmer's life, was that DD was 12 years old when the family left. And the father said to him that we're going to go to Iowa. And we want you to stay here and take care of your brother TJ who was 10 years old. Now they viewed these two as capable of living out on the frontier alone. And they said, you work for a few years, save up some money, and then you can come and join us in Iowa. And so that was, I think, would have been in the mid 1850s. So I think it was roughly nine or 10 years, and I'd have to, don't hold me to the number of years, but it was approximately that number, that they were there living by themselves a 10 year old and a 12 year old taking care of themselves on the frontier in Canada. And then finally in 1865, the two of them left on foot to head toward New York and to head on down across the border into the United States, and keep in mind at that time, there was a war raging in the United States. The Civil War ended in 1865, but it hadn't ended yet. It was kind of winding down a bit. So they were going from Canada into a war zone. It's kind of a weird thing to think about when you do. And the reason that Vern Gilo came up with why they were leaving at that time is that there were so many young American men crossing the border to go to Canada so they wouldn't be conscripted into the service. They didn't want to go to war. And it was flooding the job market in Canada. As a result, these guys said, well, we're out of here. We're going to go beat our family in Iowa. So they took out on foot on that track. And that occupies some of the fun in my book where we trace their steps through Niagara Falls and some of the other places they go to get to Iowa.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  We'll call that chapter the reverse commute. Well, I know that we're at the edge of our time today. Your episode 540 of the Cara Houssel podcast, it was such a pleasure to have you on today. I know there's still a lot more for us to talk about. Maybe you'll say that you'll do a second interview with us in the future. I would love to. Awesome. Well, it was an honor to have you on today. I know that we didn't get a chance to talk about a lot of stuff. So is there anything that I didn't ask you about that you would like to discuss before we in the interview today?

DR MYRON BROWN DC (GUEST):  I would just say that we see some great hope for the profession. I know we talked earlier on about how things are not going great in the education when it comes to vertebral subluxation. But there's some good people working very hard in a lot of places, including Sherman College right now, to try to improve that and to make sure that that becomes the key ability of the chiropractor. So people listening to this that have young people in your lives, don't be afraid to talk to them about becoming chiropractors and learning how to deliver a great vertebral subluxation centered service. We need it.

JAMES CHESTER (HOST):  Absolutely. And I'll close out by telling people if we don't take action now, we'll settle for nothing later. And if we don't tell people our story, then someone else will make up on about us. And if we don't own it, then they'll parcel it off and sell it piece by piece. So let's not see the yard sale of chiropractic anytime in our futures. And 49 years as a chiropractor, Dr. Meyer and Brahm appreciate you being on with the show today. And I'm going to close out by telling everyone you're just one story way. Keep hustling. I'll see you guys on the next episode. I'll see you guys next week.

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